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Post by tingaling on Aug 15, 2021 12:03:00 GMT
Saturdays match at Kendal
Good Trip out
Good Football
Pity about the penalty
Good company
I have supported GNE for a long time now ( First Match I saw was at North road in 1945 )
BUT I have never supported Black Lives Matter and was horrified and upset to see our young players copying their premier league idols and kneeling in a subservient manner before the match kicked off.
If they feel the need to make political statements then they should "STAND UP to Racism or STAND UP for all lives matter".
The BLM's group’s radical Marxist agenda would supplant the basic building block of society—the family—with the state and destroy the economic system that has lifted more people from poverty than any other. Black lives, and all lives, would be harmed. They are also wanting to defund our police
I would like to see the club take a ballot of its members on this after all the fans are a very big part of this club.
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Post by gne49er on Aug 15, 2021 14:29:27 GMT
I'm sure they can make their own minds up how they would like to make this message.
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Post by Haggis on Aug 15, 2021 16:40:49 GMT
Footballers have been incredibly clear about why they take a knee and that it has nothing to do with the political 'Black Lives Matter' organisation supposed aims, rather than a way to highlight racial injustice. That you choose to ignore this explanation says more about you than it does about our team. People who are fortunate enough not to suffer from injustice are always telling those that do how to protest, and even when protest is done peacefully they are told 'no, not like that'. Funny, that. I fully support the team in kneeling if they wish to. It takes ten seconds and says 'we will not tolerate racism'... I can't understand why anyone would be against it. Saturdays match at KendalGood Trip out Good Football Pity about the penalty Good company I have supported GNE for a long time now ( First Match I saw was at North road in 1945 ) BUT I have never supported Black Lives Matter and was horrified and upset to see our young players copying their premier league idols and kneeling in a subservient manner before the match kicked off. If they feel the need to make political statements then they should "STAND UP to Racism or STAND UP for all lives matter". The BLM's group’s radical Marxist agenda would supplant the basic building block of society—the family—with the state and destroy the economic system that has lifted more people from poverty than any other. Black lives, and all lives, would be harmed. They are also wanting to defund our police I would like to see the club take a ballot of its members on this after all the fans are a very big part of this club. |
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Post by awelsh1978 on Aug 15, 2021 19:39:17 GMT
Saturdays match at KendalGood Trip out Good Football Pity about the penalty Good company I have supported GNE for a long time now ( First Match I saw was at North road in 1945 ) BUT I have never supported Black Lives Matter and was horrified and upset to see our young players copying their premier league idols and kneeling in a subservient manner before the match kicked off. If they feel the need to make political statements then they should "STAND UP to Racism or STAND UP for all lives matter". The BLM's group’s radical Marxist agenda would supplant the basic building block of society—the family—with the state and destroy the economic system that has lifted more people from poverty than any other. Black lives, and all lives, would be harmed. They are also wanting to defund our police I would like to see the club take a ballot of its members on this after all the fans are a very big part of this club. Personally I'm all for supporting what the individual wants to do. I am sure the players discussed this before the game. If all the GNE players took the knee them fair play. Things like this will bring the team closer together and that would hopefully reflect on the results. |
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Post by joff on Aug 15, 2021 19:41:34 GMT
What an unadulterated pile of horse sh*t.
Are you saying our players, in their unanimous stand against racism, are also calling for the break-up of family units?
Of course they’re not, you daft old racist sod.
If you can’t support them then either shut up or pi$$ off.
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Post by bandit18 on Aug 15, 2021 19:45:10 GMT
Well said haggis. I am speaking from MY opinion not necessarily the club. I will not make, nor deny, any individual from taking the knee. As can be seen in the attachment.... our league supports the higher leagues in allowing individuals to do as they see fit. Like haggis stated..... it says more about the individuals who are "offended" by a peaceful protest than it does about the act itself. Just because the daily fail and the S*n and the Bbc say its marxist...... doesn't make it true.... think about who owns all of those, and whos pockets they are lining? As for 'defund the police' ...... if you actually knew what that was about, any human being would be for it ..... it is NOT about scaling back the police force (which government has been very capable of doing themselves) it is about diverting money to allow police to police and not have to worry about the mental and social care side of incidents.... it allows properly trained people look after that....that wouild allow the police to just 'fight crime' As i say.... this is Bandit speaking.....I do not speak for the board C  |
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Post by tingaling on Aug 15, 2021 20:19:07 GMT
Haggis
I have not ignored the footballer's and woke media's pathetic explanation of why they need to take the knee which is BML's recognized signature gesture of submission, but have stated I would support our team "STANDING UP TO RACISM" if they feel the need to take politics into our football.
Let's leave it up to our decent fans and our management to make the decision.
And we can agree to disagree with each other but at the same time both support our team.
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Post by Haggis on Aug 15, 2021 20:29:57 GMT
You patently have ignored it, because they've told you, several time and very clearly, why it's done, and you are effectively saying you don't believe them and put the explanations aside.
Instead you are repeating cut-out-and-paste Farageisms that suggest than rather than listen to what people have to say you'd rather see what the people whose politics you like think and just go along with that. That won't come as a surprise to many.
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Post by joff on Aug 15, 2021 20:56:21 GMT
Having shared a few transports with him and hearing his bullsh!t opinions, it’s not a contentious statement to say that Ivan is a racist.
As a former UKIP candidate he confirms it himself.
Keep taking the knee, boys. Maybe the auld racist idiot will remove himself (and his nasty attitudes) from our game.
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Post by gne49er on Aug 15, 2021 21:53:43 GMT
Why do fans and management need to decide? The players have chosen to take the knee and that is up to them and them only.
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Post by pullmyfinger on Aug 16, 2021 15:56:13 GMT
I assume that Tingaling took the time to discuss the players' motivations for taking a knee with them first for him to declare that they are supporting a "radical Marxist agenda".
If not then maybe he should take the time to discuss their reasons before casting aspersions and trying to sway the opinions of others.
Personally, having seen the abuse dished out on social media over the summer I support our players and any other player/coach etc in making a statement against racism in whatever way they choose.
Anybody who dislikes those choices also has the freedom to choose whether or not they attend a game.
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Post by joff on Aug 16, 2021 18:54:52 GMT
#refugeeswelcome
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Post by gorgypegg on Aug 16, 2021 20:19:22 GMT
I assume that Tingaling took the time to discuss the players' motivations for taking a knee with them first for him to declare that they are supporting a "radical Marxist agenda". If not then maybe he should take the time to discuss their reasons before casting aspersions and trying to sway the opinions of others. Personally, having seen the abuse dished out on social media over the summer I support our players and any other player/coach etc in making a statement against racism in whatever way they choose. Anybody who dislikes those choices also has the freedom to choose whether or not they attend a game. Well said. |
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Post by muncus on Aug 17, 2021 10:26:39 GMT
Haggis I have not ignored the footballer's and woke media's pathetic explanation of why they need to take the knee which is BML's recognized signature gesture of submission, but have stated I would support our team "STANDING UP TO RACISM" if they feel the need to take politics into our football. Let's leave it up to our decent fans and our management to make the decision. And we can agree to disagree with each other but at the same time both support our team. I don't think your feeble attempt gaslighting a group over the reasons for an action is particularly supportive of anyone. And how eagerly you take to social media to reel off the tropes that are spoon-fed to you by the right wing media just show you up for the racist bigot you are. |
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Post by tingaling on Aug 17, 2021 12:06:59 GMT
I am saddened to see the usual suspects have decided to call me a racist, which is their normal method of attacking anybody who dares to question the real motives behind this kneeling.
Please note that as I have stated several times in this thread I do and will join the players if and when they "STAND UP TO RACISM" which hardly makes me a racist.
I hope the GNE Directors and Board will make an official statement on GNE's position
Still, I have listened to your friendly advice and I will not be attending matches if there is any chance of them kneeling.
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Post by muncus on Aug 17, 2021 14:37:03 GMT
I am saddened to see the usual suspects have decided to call me a racist, which is their normal method of attacking anybody who dares to question the real motives behind this kneeling. Please note that as I have stated several times in this thread I do and will join the players if and when they "STAND UP TO RACISM" which hardly makes me a racist. I hope the GNE Directors and Board will make an official statement on GNE's position Still, I have listened to your friendly advice and I will not be attending matches if there is any chance of them kneeling. Well it seems that you present somewhat of a paradox here. You seem happy to assume that the purpose of taking the knee, is to support a Marxist organisation. And this is despite being told to the contrary by the people taking the knee. Yet you seem offended that people assume you are racist, because you are "offended" by an action to raise awareness of racism in our society. So if you could clarify your position on the following that would be great. 1) Who is the best person to know why someone is taking an action, the person doing it or someone else? 2) If you believe "All lives matter" I assume you are in full support of the UK providing shelter to refugees fleeing from conflict and persecution in their home country, is this correct? (I have screenshots from Facebook that suggest otherwise) 3) Using your own words explain to the forum the basic principles of Marxism, and how this is a threat to society? Cheers |
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Post by joff on Aug 17, 2021 21:31:08 GMT
Well said, Muncus.
Ivan - you started this thread with a view to attacking our players’ unanimous action which is a symbolic stand against racism.
On face value alone that kind of puts you in a position where one could assume you are against anti-racist gestures. There’s 2 types of people in this world: those who can extrapolate conclusions from incomplete data and…
The fact that you have been called racist by those who recognise you (be it digitally or otherwise) should give you pause for thought and self-reflection.
Of course you won’t take that opportunity. Yet. Just as you haven’t all the way through your life, even though you’ve witnessed some amazing leaps forward in terms of social justice.
We can’t fix your bigotry. Only you can do that. But for a kick-off I am glad you will take a break from attending our games, if only to consider whether our new manager has actually recruited a team of Marxists, or a team of talented and dedicated footballers who are aware of social injustices (caused in no small part by people like you) and who wish to express their disappointment and frustration at that.
Stand with your team. They wear our shirt. They deserve our support.
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Post by awelsh1978 on Aug 18, 2021 11:17:35 GMT
It is a shame that in this day and age players need to do this. But total respect like I said before to those who chose to stand or should that be kneel together. The two things that need removing from society is racism and homophobic comments. If these things can removed society will be a much nicer place.
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Post by gnefan on Sept 2, 2021 22:06:40 GMT
I am saddened to see the usual suspects have decided to call me a racist, which is their normal method of attacking anybody who dares to question the real motives behind this kneeling. Please note that as I have stated several times in this thread I do and will join the players if and when they "STAND UP TO RACISM" which hardly makes me a racist. I hope the GNE Directors and Board will make an official statement on GNE's position Still, I have listened to your friendly advice and I will not be attending matches if there is any chance of them kneeling. |
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Post by gnefan on Sept 2, 2021 22:07:53 GMT
I am saddened to see the usual suspects have decided to call me a racist, which is their normal method of attacking anybody who dares to question the real motives behind this kneeling. Please note that as I have stated several times in this thread I do and will join the players if and when they "STAND UP TO RACISM" which hardly makes me a racist. I hope the GNE Directors and Board will make an official statement on GNE's position Still, I have listened to your friendly advice and I will not be attending matches if there is any chance of them kneeling. Good |
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Post by awelsh1978 on Sept 3, 2021 14:51:08 GMT
What do people make of the racism at the England game. Absolute shocking at this day and age we are still experiencing this shocking behaviour. The worst and my shocking one for me was a few years ago I went over to Cancun for 4 weeks on holiday. I heard one parent say tell his child off for playing with a young coloured boy. The little boy turned round to his dad and said Dad why does his skin colour matter. I want to play with him. This boy was about 10 years old. I was so proud he stood up to his racist father
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